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Dail Éireann · 2023-05-04

Fuel Quality

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I want answers from the Minister of State, Deputy Butler, this evening because a public meeting is being held in Cashel tomorrow night. Public representatives belonging to the party of the Minister of State and other Government parties have been giving false information, as far as I am concerned, in Cashel about money being ring-fenced and parking facilities being too small in the area. Patrick's Hospital was going full pelt, there were 300 patients and staff on site and there was never an issue with parking.

I am worried too now about there being plenty of hospital beds in University Hospital Waterford. What the Minister of State is overseeing in the HSE, along with the Minister, Deputy Stephen Donnelly, and the Minister of State, Deputy Rabbitte, is nothing short of outrageous.

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SF Martin Browne

We have had this discussion on numerous occasions in recent months. I want answers from the Minister of State, Deputy Butler, this evening because a public meeting is being held in Cashel tomorrow night. The public of the town and the staff in St. Patrick's Hospital deserve answers at this stage. Public representatives belonging to the party of the Minister of State and other Government parties have been giving false information, as far as I am concerned, in Cashel about money being ring-fenced and parking facilities being too small in the area.

Let us get this out there at the start. In 2019, this project went to design stage. Three weeks ago, we were told it was moving along. Now, the unit is being moved out of the grounds of St. Patrick's Hospital, Cashel. Last week, the Minister of State referred to commercially sensitive information. There is none. We were told this at a meeting of the HSE the other day, at which Deputy Mattie McGrath was present. The Government is talking now about a site the HSE owns. I can guarantee it, and I said this to the representatives of the HSE the other day, that no unit will ever go up on that site. I do not even know if the Minister of State knows where the site is located. There is not much more room there for a car, never mind an ambulance or anything like that, to get up to that site. This is all the misinformation that is out there in public. The people of Cashel and County Tipperary deserve better.

Last Friday, we discovered that no cost analysis was done regarding moving this unit from St. Patrick's Hospital. There also seems to be no engineer's report stating this unit is too small. I asked the Minister of State for this review last week, but I have still not got it. There must have been a meeting where it was decided to move the unit out of its current site at St. Patrick's Hospital. These documents have not been forthcoming. What kind of situation is going on in the HSE that meetings seem to be going on where vital decisions are being made about people's lives, but where there are no minutes? We are being told about reports from HIQA, etc., saying that the site is too small and that there is no parking. When St. Patrick's Hospital was going full pelt, there were 300 patients and staff on site and there was never an issue with parking. An issue with parking came up three weeks ago, and that was about the end of it. I will come back in after Deputy Mattie McGrath.

IND Mattie McGrath

I thank Deputy Martin Browne for letting me share time. We want answers about St. Patrick's Hospital in Cashel. We want reassurance and something definite in respect of this matter.

St. Patrick's Hospital is a wonderful institution. My late mum did some time there. I cannot say enough about the staff and all the people there, including in the chapels and the church. I often attended mass there, when we had a church. We were expecting a 60-bed community unit to be delivered. That is what we were told all the way along at meetings and briefings and everything else, until a bombshell landed two or three weeks ago regarding the site now being too small. This is simply not true. I cannot use the word "lie" here, but this is a porky of the highest order. As Deputy Martin Browne said, there were 350 staff and patients there, many of them driving, and there was plenty of room for parking. I ask the Minister of State to pick some other issue besides this one.

Something else is going on here. The Minister of State closed the beautiful hospital in Carrick-on-Suir. It was shocking to do that to a community hospital with three hospice beds. I am worried too now about there being plenty of hospital beds in University Hospital Waterford. I worry because we were told the other day we are in competition now with Dungarvan, if you do not mind, for this community hospital. I am watching this matter very carefully. The Minister of State should not dare to take this facility out of County Tipperary, because it is needed. The community hospital is needed and the staff and everybody else is committed to it. Cashel lost too much back in the 1980s, when it lost to Clonmel, as well as the last time. It is not going to lose this time. The people there are ready for the Minister of State.

It has been stated that the greenfield site is suitable. It is not, and it is not accessible. We have a site. Just let us build on it. This is a listed building but it can be easily adapted. There was no problem before with engineers' reports or anything else. Costings in this regard have not even been done. What the Minister of State is overseeing in the HSE, along with the Minister, Deputy Stephen Donnelly, and the Minister of State, Deputy Rabbitte, is nothing short of outrageous. I refer to officials being able to do what they like and tell us what they want anytime they like and different stories then being presented by politicians from the Minister of State's party. This is just not acceptable. The people of Cashel deserve this facility and they are going to get it.

IND Carol Nolan

It would be wrong to dismiss any potential safety issues associated with E10 fuel as being caused by a lack of maintenance. That is the wrong approach. Can this matter be looked into? If there are safety issues, it is serious. Certainly, the information I have to hand suggests the move to E10 petrol will put people's lives in danger. My correspondent who works in the motor industry tells me they have been advised to use the UK checker to see whether a car is compatible with E10 fuel. For example, it is advised that a 2007 Lexus should not be run on E10 and should use E5 instead. This is a car that cost more than €50,000 15 years ago.

Now, it is not suitable for use in Ireland. I will list a few others. Some 2008 Toyota Avensis and Audi A4 models, 2007 Ford Mondeo models and 2006 Volkswagen Golf models are not suitable, and there are many others. Given this information, the Minister of State will see why we need absolute guarantees around the safety of introducing and using E10 fuels.

FF Jack Chambers

I am answering on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan. The advice is that the sustained use of E10 fuel in older vehicles may result in more frequent maintenance due to the vulnerability of certain vehicle parts to the solvent properties of ethanol requiring, for example, their more frequent replacement, but the clear feedback is that this does not mean they cannot be operated with E10 fuels and that it is safe to do so. The European specifications have outlined that. The legislation does not prevent any independent or specialist fuel supplier from placing an E5 blend of petrol on the market even after 1 July when the regulations are fully operational. The clear guidance is that E10 fuels are safe to use.

SF Paul Donnelly

I was canvassing last week in the Navan Road area, which is in my constituency, and I met Mary, who is a pensioner. She and her husband have a very modest income after a lifetime of work. She said that she keeps the heating off and uses a blanket to keep warm when watching television. Mary showed me a bill of €800 for gas and one of €500 for the ESB. She said she managed to pay one off just as the other dropped in the letterbox. She is desperately worried about paying the ESB and the cycle will start all over again in the next couple of months. What is she to do? Mary, not just Sinn Féin, believes that the Government is not doing enough to help struggling families and workers. New figures released show that Ireland has the highest electricity prices in Europe. Wholesale gas prices have fallen. Why is this not being passed on to people? Electricity prices for households gradually went from being one of the lowest in Europe, before the energy market was privatised in 1996, to the highest in recent years. Energy poverty has doubled in the last year. What does the Government do? It increases the carbon tax by €7.50 per tonne. This hits home heating bills this month. People are literally praying for a hot summer, autumn, and winter this year. The Government has resisted energy market reforms at every turn. It is clearly not on the side of families and workers. What did I tell Mary that a Sinn Féin Government would do? We would introduce the windfall tax on the obscene super profits of the energy companies; provide real financial relief and certainty to households by reducing electricity prices and capping them, as has been done in Germany, Australia, and the Netherlands; reverse the increase in the carbon tax; and introduce regulatory powers for the Commission for Regulation of Utilities to address issues affecting the price that families pay for energy. I ask every Deputy to support this motion.

FF Jack Chambers

The clear evidence and guidance is to the effect that E10 fuel is safe but may necessitate more frequent maintenance. If the Deputy wishes to correspond with the Department about her specific concerns, I will ask the officials who have been engaging on this issue here and with their European colleagues to respond with the specific guidance. That may be helpful in responding to the people who have been in touch with her. The policy advice is that it is safe to change to E10 fuels.