I move amendment No. 1: In page 8, line 15, after “State” to insert “and placed for adoption outside the State”. In the context of amendments Nos. 1 and 2, the concern is that, as currently constructed in the Bill, the definition of "adopted person" under the section seems to only include persons whose adoptions were facilitated by the Adoption Board, a registered adoption society, the Adoption Authority of Ireland, AAI, or Tusla. There are several reasons this is problematic. First, the Adoption Act 1952 came into…

I thank the Minister. I am glad. I recognise the change on Report Stage in the Dáil that relates to amendments Nos. 1 and 2. In light of that, I am going to consider the legislation again to determine whether I feel it satisfies what I am seeking to achieve in amendments Nos. 1 and 2. I believe it may. In that context, I will not press the amendments but reserve the right to reintroduce them. However, I would appreciate it if the Minister offered clarity on amendments Nos. 3 and 4. I accept his point that, technica…

I accept the Minister's point on "relevant person", so I will not press amendments Nos. 3 and 4. However, I am not satisfied that, in the section on relevant persons, the concept of incorrect birth registration covers fully the concept of an illegal birth registration. I believe they are slightly different. I do not believe "incorrect" is a frame that can incorporate "illegal". "Illegal" needs to be named, but I am happy not to press these amendments and to try to tackle the issue of illegal registration when we co…

I move amendment No. 2: In page 8, line 15, after "State" to insert "and placed for adoption outside the State and whose adoption was effected outside the State".

I move amendment No. 3: In page 8, between lines 20 and 21, to insert the following: "(c) a person who was otherwise illegally adopted,".

I move amendment No. 4: In page 8, between lines 20 and 21, to insert the following: "(c) a person who was subject to an illegal birth registration,". Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

I move amendment No. 5: In page 9, between lines 24 and 25, to insert the following: "(d) records of any vaccine trials in which the relevant person was a research subject,". These amendments are on the care arrangements and other issues and relate to the kinds of information persons are accessing. I am seeking granular health detail. I am aware that there are provisions in respect of health information in the Bill but I am seeking provisions on "the records of any vaccine trials to which a relevant person might ha…

I agree with the Minister on the question of the vaccines in terms of the placing. The early life section or the medical section would be better than the care arrangements section. Again, we are adapting to the Bill as it changes. That is a better section, but I note that what I am seeking in terms of vaccines is slightly different. It is not simply a record of a person being vaccinated, but of having an entitlement to records of vaccine trials. If persons were one of 12 or 100 subjects in a vaccine trial, they wou…

No, we could not get the names of other persons, but we could certainly have information in respect of the records of a vaccine trial. For example, if particular drugs or vaccines were bring trialled or developed. It is one thing to state in a record that a person was vaccinated and another thing to say a person was part of a vaccine trial and to outline the stage of development of the vaccine, what it was part of and who was being paid for it. There is a lot more information relating to a vaccine trial. I will not…

In terms of the record, again the danger might be that it is a record of vaccination, but we can come back to vaccination trials on Report Stage. There is something different in terms of the records of vaccine trials versus the records of routine vaccinations. That might need elaboration, but I am not going to press the amendment. Because it is such an interlocking Bill, there are questions over where many of the amendments get captured. The provision as I outlined it is quite wide in terms of those involved in car…

I move amendment No. 7: In page 9, between lines 24 and 25, to insert the following: “(d) any institution, agency, organisation or individual involved in the care of children and mothers who were separated from each other,”.

I move amendment No. 8: In page 9, between lines 36 and 37, to insert the following: “(b) records about the person, including correspondence and other records associated with the administrative process surrounding the relevant person’s care.”. This is a consequential amendment. It follows from the committee’s pre-legislative scrutiny report, which recommends that the Bill be amended to provide for statutory right of access to administrative records, wherever they are held, of all adoption institutes, adoption agenc…

I am rummaging through my papers. I want to be very clear about what I am speaking to.

Amendment No. 8 relates to "records about the person, including correspondence and other records associated with the administrative process surrounding the relevant person’s care". It proposes to extend some of the provisions relating to what information might be provided, including in the administrative process. That would include information on the correspondence between somebody who may have provided care and an institution, for example. In circumstances in which people were boarded out and did work, and in othe…

To clarify, there is a lot of information in relation to adoption under the early life definition. There is that kind of granular detail but there is slightly less information on care arrangements. One of the reasons it is relevant is that some of the care arrangements, including some of the boarded-out arrangements and others, included situations which were exploitative of child labour. Some of them were abusive and some were problematic in other ways. The names, details and mechanics are there. The reason we rais…

Maybe I will table an amendment on Report Stage to ensure that "records" is construed as including correspondence. I think that might be useful in that regard. I withdraw and reserve the right to reintroduce.

I move amendment No. 9: In page 10, line 29, before “information” to insert “medical information, including”. Amendment No. 9 is just a slight change-around with regard to medical information. At the moment, the line under subsection (f) says-----

What is the grouping?

I do not think they are very appropriately grouped, to be honest.

Fair enough. There will probably have to be a bit of back and forth because that clump actually deals with quite different topics. That is why I was surprised by the grouping. In terms of amendment No. 9, at the moment under subsection (f) it refers to "information on any medical treatments, procedures or vaccinations administered to him or her." I am specifying that it should refer to “medical information, including” information on any medical treatments. It is just to get that wider definition of "medical informa…