Speaking of payrolls, I ask the Deputy Leader to invite to the House the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Michael McGrath, to facilitate a debate and provide us with an update on the public sector pay talks that have unfortunately stalled. I hope all in the House will join me in asking both sides to return to the table so we can have a collective public sector pay deal, which is the only show in town. These are the most important pay talks of recent times. I hope the Minister can come to the House…

The Minister is very welcome to the House. I thank him and the Minister of State, Deputy Burke, for the work they have done and I pay tribute to Senator Cummins for his outstanding work on the committee. I also pay tribute to the Minister of State, Deputy Noonan, for his stewardship of the Bill. To be fair to all of the Ministers and the Department, there has been accessibility and a willingness to debate. I also thank the departmental officials. This is significant legislation that will change our electoral system…

Can the Chair give the House a roadmap as to what we can do in the context of the Leader's proposition?

That is not relevant to the Bill at all.

It has no relevance to the Bill at all.

I thought we were dealing with the Bill.

In the context of Senator Craughwell's contribution, to be fair to the Minister of State we have had extensive engagement with the Department, the Minister of State and the Department officials. As Senator Craughwell knows full well, those of us, including the Acting Chair, who are on the transport committee have dealt with this Bill extensively to the point where we have re-engaged again since the Bill began to make its way through this House. On the question of expertise, we have engaged with Jim Gavin, who is th…

On a point of order, and I do not want to have a row-----

The Acting Chair is probably right. I accept that. Surely for any Bill-----

-----when we are lobbied, it is about informing us of a position, regardless of whether we are yea or nay. I met IBEC this morning for a briefing. Are we saying IBEC cannot lobby us before the budget? I met the INTO yesterday. Is this also the case for Fórsa or SIPTU? I do not know.

We asked for a meeting with the IAA. Is that what the Senator is referring to?

We asked for it in the Chamber.

I did not understand the point. Now I do.

I would like to hear the Minister of State's views on putting compellability on a statutory footing. The IALPA position on meetings has validity. The Joint Committee on Health has quarterly meetings with the Minister and HSE. These are to be built into its work programme. Therefore, one knows there is a meeting every quarter. Why is there reluctance to commit to the meetings in the case in question? I derived great hope from the correspondence we received from Mr. Jim Gavin, particularly on the commitment to foster…

No, and I will not be the last. Without our committee talking to the workers and representatives, perhaps the Mulvey development would not have happened. That is the power of engagement. I spoke to Mr. Jim Gavin by Microsoft Teams or Zoom and there was a visit to the Seanad. We had our engagement with IALPA, which I believe is important. I would like to hear the Minister of State's teasing out of the point. I am not hung up on the compellability strategy element and am open-minded about it. I am just curious as to …

What is an aviation expert?

What is an aviation expert? The Minister of State has said that she has access to-----

I know, but sure if Senator Craughwell wanted to take being-----

If Senator Craughwell wanted to take his logic back to before the crash in 2007, where were all the experts in the Department of Finance so?

I hope we do have a debate on the last point Senator Horkan made, namely, road safety. There is a rising trend in road fatalities in the country. Notwithstanding the fact that cars were off the road for Covid and travel was curtailed, there is a trend of increasing road fatalities and accidents. I support Senator Horkan's call for a debate on the issue. I concur with Senator Horkan and endorse his call for a debate on road safety in this House. I know you will not let me finish, a Chathaoirligh, but I concur with S…