That is clearly not my job. My job is not to tell people what to say on the Order of Business.

If people are raising issues, you can ask - and I am going to circulate it again - to intervene with a Senator who is making the statement at the time-----

No, I did not say to you to stay quiet.

You can intervene when a Member is making a statement. At the end of the debate, when you are bringing up a point of order, it must relate to a ruling of the Chair on an issue or a procedure in the House. I will circulate that note again, along with a note on the other issue. There is an opportunity. It is not my role to tell people what is or is not appropriate in what they are saying.

Senator, there is an opportunity to intervene.

Senator, we are not reopening debates, but there is an opportunity to intervene while the person is making the statement, just so you know.

The Senator did not ask. He has to ask. There is a Standing Order. I will send the Senator a copy of the Standing Order. For the benefit of everybody, if someone is saying something, Members have an opportunity to ask to intervene. If the speaker does not wish them to intervene or does not allow them, then that is the rule of the House. I call the acting Leader to outline a response to the Order of Business.

I must remind the Senator of the issue of the separation of powers between the Houses of the Oireachtas and the Judiciary and ask him to be mindful of that.

There are a few lights up.

I call on the Leader to respond to the Order of Business.

Under the Constitution, the European courts are not under our jurisdiction. Therefore, what Members say about courts in other countries does not come under my remit. I am taking the precedent from rulings of the Chair in respect of policy. This is the important part. This House is about debate and about people discussing the issues of the day. Members may and should talk about issues in a general sense even on judicial policy and judicial rulings. However, when it becomes specifically identifiable, because of the s…

Thank you. By the way, this is a forum for debate so I am quite happy to engage on the issue of a point of order. I call Senator Crowe.

That is why I made the clarification. The issue is if you make somebody or a case identifiable. When Members bring out the detail of a case, for example, an 83-year-old lady, that would stray into the area where it would make the individual case identifiable. However, for the benefit of the House I will circulate the ruling from previous Cathaoirligh and from the Chair in the Dáil. I want debate in this House. I want Members to be able to raise the issues of the day that people are talking about on the street. If w…

Thank you. I am glad Senators raised the issue because it is helpful to every Member to understand. The issue here is making sure that anything that is said in this House is not used to prevent some victim in the future getting justice because something that is said here is used by a criminal as a defence in an appeal case or it prevents the DPP from pursuing a more appropriate sentence. However, I will circulate the ruling. The problem is that it is a fine line. I want every Member to be aware that policy and the …

I call the seconder of the Bill, Senator Higgins.

I have received notice from Senator Fintan Warfield that, on the motion for the Commencement of the House today, he proposes to raise the following matter: The need for the Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media to make a statement on the establishment of a digital legal deposit for Irish web archiving. I have also received notice from Senator Mary Fitzpatrick of the following matter: The need for the Minister for Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science to make a stat…

Before I call the Leader to outline the Order of Business, I wish to inform the House that Christy Kelly in the Oireachtas print facility is retiring after 40 years of service to us all. He is one of the great gentlemen of Leinster House. He does a lot of quiet work and helps out Members in all sorts of ways in trying to get their messages out. We all know how hard it is to communicate in the modern world, but the print facility, under Christy, has been a phenomenal resource for Members and Senators down through th…

That might be a breach of standards in public office regulations but there is no harm in trying.

When is it proposed to take the next Stage?

Is that agreed? Agreed.