I also want to welcome firefighters, especially the Tipperary boys, the Tipp boys, here today. They should not have to be here. I was talking to a retained firefighter this morning whose family has a history of being in the fire service. He told me that the tradition ends with him, because it is not viable anymore for his son to become involved. This sums up what we are talking about, namely, a service that is understaffed because its pay and conditions cause it to leak staff - it is continuing to leak staff - and …