I am certainly happy to clarify that because, as I have said, I get on well with personally with Senator Gavan.

I think what I said - and I am happy to check the record - but I think that what I said was that he had failed to draw attention to the House that the information on which he based the legislation, the claims about intimidatory behaviour that were contradicted by the University of Limerick Hospital Group, was actually shown to be untrue. I think that I also said, or communicated in such a way as to make clear, that I was unaware of whether he had knowingly or unknowingly passed on that untruth. The only claim I mak…

I will conclude with this. The Minister said he would advertise openly. Not only did he not do so, but he never put it on the record that he was not doing so until it was dragged out of him by parliamentary questions in recent times, when he revealed that a small number of people were invited to express interest in the role of independent chair. He then appointed somebody who had engaged previously in a pattern of tweets suggestive of the fact that they supported repeal. One must wonder-----

I am not. I think the issue is-----

That being said-----

I am finishing up. All I would say is that is the latest spin. That is the first I have heard of that new definition of independent.

So we are being told.

I am concluding. This is important because what I am putting on the record is that claims that we know to be false in some cases, and may well turn out to be false in the case of the most recent claims that have been made, are being used to bolster legislation. The Minister is not standing athwart those claims. In everything he is doing, he is seeking to facilitate and express clear support for legislation that is neither necessary nor constitutional. This is a Minister who, with his officials, has a record of not …

I am very close to concluding.

It is as difficult for me to listen to things that I know and believe are harmful for our society and which, in some cases, I believe to be untrue, as it is for others to hear my carefully reflected upon and honestly held views about what I think is going on here. I ask colleagues to respect the fact that as far as they know, I speak for at least one third of those who voted in 2018. There may have been many other consequences of the 2018 legislation, which people who voted for repeal did not foresee, for example, …

My point is that is why we need somebody-----

That is why-----

I have listened to all the contributions and considerable latitude has been given. My points are-----

As an Leas-Chathaoirleach knows, I would be finished by now if I had not been heckled. The attempt, of course, is to prevent the point being made. My point is that an independent person is not just somebody, as Senator Clifford-Lee stated, who-----

I did not get to make the point.

Please, a Leas-Chathaoirligh. I want 30 seconds.

It is relevant because it is about-----

It is relevant because it is about-----

It would be very respectful if people would just let each other finish.

It has never been claimed that the only meaning of independent is independent of Government. It is obvious to any reasonable person looking in that in order-----