Yes, I am talking about amendment No. 234, which is on page 29 in the list of amendments. It relates to the section dealing with the discharge of involuntarily admitted children. We are talking about the role of a parent, guardian or representative of a child, there being various degrees of involvement depending on sets of circumstances. I note the Minister of State's comment that in drawing up many of these amendments, she engaged extensively with the Department of children. The amendment refers to "[providing] th…

I am talking about amendment No. 234, which is in the group we are currently discussing.

Yes, amendment No. 234 is on that list.

Amendment No. 234 is in that group but way down the list.

That would never be the case. Amendment No. 234 is in that group. I am sorry for the confusion.

I thank the Minister of State for clarifying some of the points I raised. My concern is really about the importance of the care plan that is to be prepared, which she has acknowledged and is in her amendment. Ensuring all the stakeholders involved in children's care are engaged with the plan is important. That might be their social worker or advocate because, in many cases, the parent or guardian does not enjoy a good, healthy relationship with the child, or vice versa , because there is so much historical trauma o…

Is the Minister of State generally happy with the amendment? I do not want to get into specifics, but did the Minister of State took on the ombudsman's concerns? He has issues with children being treated in adult facilities but is the Minister of State happy that he got a good hearing?

I do not doubt that. Is the Minister of State happy that she has endeavoured to incorporate the ombudsman's concerns into this Bill?

I share some concerns. The point Senator Ryan made on clarity is a good point in relation to abroad. I do not think this is anecdotal but there are concerns. I was going to raise this later. There will be another relevant section later on but I will talk about it now and I may talk about it again. Can we categorically say that nobody, be they children or adults, is involuntarily or cared for outside the State in terms of mental health? I do not know what the statistics or the arrangements are. We do know in the pas…

I will follow on from that and talk about amendment No. 267, which is also in this grouping and is the request for the application of the transfer of a child. Amendment No. 267 is a Government amendment. I think there may be a case here for the Minister of State to consider. There is some ambiguity about the approved centre and another place. It sounds like a terrible Walt Disney thing; another place, another story. We may have put our finger on something here, and it is about improving legislation. Maybe there is …

That is great. Thank you.

I thank the Minister of State for reading that into the record. It shares some of the echoing concerns we have been talking about. There are those cases and, quite frankly, that is the sad reality of it. There are cases in many spheres where no one has an advocate and the Minister of State has identified that. She has provided a good rationale in support of it and that is important. We have not lost sight of it, and I thank the Minister of State for reading that into the record.

I will be brief because I have mentioned this before. Senator Black has touched on it there again. We should have an independent commission, an independent process and a complaints procedure. We all know what happened in Bloomfield Hospital. I give a call-out to Shauna Bowers, the health correspondent in The Irish Times , who covered this story extensively over the Christmas period on the litany of abuse that took place in the Bloomfield supposed care centre. It is all documented. We have discussed it here with the…

I know the Minister of State is staying for the next Commencement matter. I thank her for that and for her time in the House today.

I thank the Minister for coming to the House to deal with this Commencement matter.

I thank the Minister for coming to the House. I know she is busy. We really appreciate her giving us her time. It is always extra appreciated to have a Minister in the House. I thank the Senator for tabling this Commencement matter.

I join the Cathaoirleach in the moving tribute he paid to Brian Crowley, a remarkable man. I had many dealings with him through my work as a director of the Irish Guide Dogs for the Blind. When we were doing our corporate plan many years ago, I met him in the Metropole Hotel and he very kindly gave a few hours of his time. He said to me: "What encapsulates what you do should be the head of your strategic policy and your vision for that charity." A lot of people followed us because we had more interest in dogs than …

I welcome the Minister of State and thank him for coming to the House to deal with this. I note that he is a highly qualified financial accountant so will be keenly aware of business and financial transactions, which is a great thing to bring to the table. On these matters, I welcome the former Senator, Lorraine Higgins, and representatives of the IPAV. Indeed, I acknowledge the importance of the work done by the Incorporated Law Society of Ireland. I have heard the contributions about the debate but Senator Aubrey…

I thank the Minister of State, Deputy Cummins, for coming to the House to discuss this Commencement matter. It is ironic that as the former Minister of State in the Department, Senator Malcolm Noonan, takes the Chair, it was he who responded to one of the final Commencement matters taken last year in relation to this area. I had a look yesterday at the number of times I have raised this matter since 2016. Luckily, I kept a few copies of documents, so that when I was looking for archive hard copies I found that I st…

That was not my question. My question was to ask the Minister to provide information on progress. In fairness, the Minister of State has done that. There is no ambiguity about my question, however, the purpose of which was to ask the Minister to provide information on progress with the roll-out of the Plean-IT project to enable full citizen engagement. It is simple; it is a two-line Commencement matter. I thank the Minister of State for the update because he highlighted matters of which I was not aware. He will kno…