I did not say that.

I am delighted the Minister of State has brought this up, and I certainly commit to looking into it. I will not say it now. I will not make it up while I am on my feet. I served on the board of St. Patrick's University Hospital where children were detained and where the courts incarcerated children aged 16 and 17 and also those aged 15. I am also very familiar with the Prison Service from my work with it. I was appointed by a Minister to both institutions. I am very familiar with the word "incarcerated". In the con…

Now that the Minister of State has encouraged me, I am going to comment further. She stated that she is not prepared to legislate for any children in adult psychiatric services. I do not want children to be placed in such services. Will the Minister legislate to ensure that it will not happen? She should show me the legislation or tell me when, following the passage of this Bill and having had time to reflect, she is going to legislate. I am happy to support any proposal from the Minister of State, or anyone else f…

-----in the year 2025.

Will the Minister of State clarify the age of those involved? Were they minors?

That is okay. This is not what I am hearing, so I need to go back to the people involved. The Minister of State has indicated that two persons under 18 were in such care in 2025.

Does this relate to public and private psychiatric services?

From the past three months.

That clarification from the Minister of State is very interesting. It is the first time in this debate we have had this differentiation made between the public and private sector. We need to see that in the context of these numbers. I told the Minister of State I had figures that I did not feel it would be responsible of me to share here until there was further validation of them. They are, however, far higher than two. However, it is helpful that the Minister of State has differentiated between the private and pub…

They are very broad, both in the day patient sector and the private sector. Therefore, we are not comparing like with like. All these services have to be subject to probity, and I am not suggesting they are not. This is primary legislation for mental health and all of them are subject to it. The situation is an evolving one and, as the Minister of State said, her figures are for up to October. We do not know what will happen next year. There are a lot of challenging issues. We see in our schools that guidance couns…

First, I welcome the students to the Chamber. It is great to see young people actively working and engaging in our processes of parliamentary democracy. As this will be my last contribution on the Order of Business this side of 2026 because I will only be here for a short time tomorrow, I will take this opportunity to thank a few people. I thank my colleagues across both Houses. We come from a different perspective in the Opposition. It is more difficult, of course, and we have to scrutinise the legislation. The Go…

I welcome the Minister to the House. I support the National Training Fund (Amendment) Bill, which makes absolute sense. It is a short, concise Bill and we all know what it is about. I support the additionality of what Senator Tully is proposing, which also makes absolute sense. I do not see any issue with it. I happen to sit on the Joint Oireachtas audit committee. I have also sat on a number of State audit committees and am particularly interested in the corporate governance of our public expenses. It is very impo…

Hear, hear. Well done.

I thank the Minister of State for his time and for coming to the House. We appreciate it.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Murnane O'Connor, and thank her time and for coming to the House.

I thank the Minister of State and the Senator. I appreciate the Minister of State taking time from her busy schedule. It is always great to see her here in the Seanad.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Harkin, to the House.

I thank the Minister of State for her comprehensive response.

I thank Senator Ní Chuillin and the Minister of State, who will stay for the next Commencement matter.

I thank the Minister of State for giving her time to be with us for two of the Commencement matters. We appreciate her attending today.